Allen kicks his cholesterol panel in the butt!

Take a look at what Wheat Belly Blog reader Allen posted about his cholesterol testing:

Just wanted to report that I had my first blood test since starting Wheat Belly back in July, 2012. I just got a note from my company doc:

”I just wanted to write as your medical consultant how impressed I was by your recent labs. You said you lost 20 pounds – congratulations. Your hemoglobin A1c was fine, not indicating pre-diabetes. And your lipid profile showed more improvement than I’ve ever seen from weight loss, exercise and diet – many find this just genetic and cannot get it down with just these measures, but your’s has really improved.

Total cholesterol (in U.S. units) down from 264 to 197, LDL or bad cholesterol down from 203 to 138, HDL or good cholesterol from 21 way up to 47. Your triglycerides are normal now.

This is great – glad you were so successful!”

His doctor’s comment that Allen’s lipid profile “showed more improvement than I’ve ever seen from weight loss, exercise and diet” hints at the extravagant metabolic transformations that develop with elimination of all things wheat.

When you eliminate wheat, 2 + 2 = 11 . . . the total is greater than the sum of the parts. Beneath the surface of his markedly improved lipid values, Allen has also:

–Reduced or eliminated small LDL particles, the lipoproteins that are the REAL cause of most coronary disease.
–Has markedly reduced the process of liver de novo lipogenesis, the liver’s conversion of carbohydrates, such as the amylopectin A and amylose of wheat, to triglyceride-containing lipoproteins (“high triglycerides”) that lead to heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, and “fatty liver.”
–Reduced the production of postprandial (after-meal) lipoproteins, such as VLDL remnants, that lead to heart disease.
–Reduced the potential for LDL particle glycation, the glucose-modification of the (apoprotein B particle component of the) LDL particle. (Small LDL particles are 8-fold more glycation-prone than large LDL particles.)
–Reduced oxidized LDL particles of the sort that are more likely to be recovered from atherosclerotic plaque. “Glycoxidized” LDL particles, i.e., glycated and oxidized, are probably the primary form of LDL particles that cause atherosclerosis.
–Improved endothelial function–Reductions in VLDL/triglycerides, postprandial lipoproteins, and small LDL particles are associated with greater arterial flexibility (“endothelial function”).
–Reduced various inflammatory phenomena–signaled, for instance, by reductions in c-reactive protein.
–Reduced potential for other health problems–Allen’s striking rise in HDL–more than doubling–suggests improved protection from not just heart disease, but also cancer (via HDL’s antioxidative function?).

Should Allen also lose weight and visceral (“Wheat Belly”) fat, all the above benefits are further compounded, with further improvements in VLDL reduction, greater reductions in postprandial lipoproteins via de novo lipogenesis, further rise in HDL, etc.

Allen did this at virtually no cost, without side-effects, without drugs. He went against the advice of the USDA and its Food Plate, went against the advice of the National Cholesterol Education Panel that drafts guidelines for cholesterol treatment, probably went against the initial advice of his doctor . . . only to demonstrate stupendous correction of both overt and the hidden but correlated markers of metabolic health.

Wheat elimination is GOOD for you . . . VERY good for you.

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  1. Kate Cook

    Allen,

    Well, congratufreakinlations !!

    I too had similar results with my blood work, which Dr. D. did post on here like yours.

    We went gluten free in August of 2012 and in December of 2012 I had my blood work done, which I do every December and was amazed at the difference.
    I actually haven’t met with my doctor yet to go over (although I ALWAYS request copies of my blood work) the results and will be doing that this month. I can’t wait to discuss this BIG change. I’d told my doctor the day she gave me the orders for the blood work, that I was gluten free. She even said she’d check into getting Dr. Davis’s Book, Wheat Belly. So hopefully this will convince her to take heed and READ!!

    Anyway, I know what a thrill it is to see the proof of the gluten free pudding!!! I’m happy for ya!

    Kate

  2. Jackie Smith

    I have been wheat free since January…so two months now. I have seen little change and have lost no weight even though I have changed other things about my diet also, cutting back to almost 0 sugar cutting back on other grains and beans and cutting my portions.
    BUT I am holding out for those blood tests which will be in April, hoping to see some marked improvements. I know that I am doing my body good, but wish I could see more improvement esp. in my pain levels.
    Thanks
    Jackie

    • Jackie,
      I had the same initial experience as you have. After a week or so I started feeling better but was not losing any weight. I decided to stop getting on the scale and just embrace how much better i feel, how much better I sleep and how much more energy I have. I have continued to take a probiotic and watch my carbs.

      This morning being March 1st, I decided to step on the scale and had lost 13 pounds! I am only going to weigh myself once a month and only concentrate on how good I feel, I believe my weight will continue to go down but decided not to obsess about it.

      Good luck it will eventually happen!

    • Phyllis Mueller

      Jackie–If you still eat dairy, try eliminating that. For some people, the pain comes from gluten + milk protein (casein). Giving up gluten alone didn’t help my joint problems, but eliminating dairy in combination with being gluten-free has. I use coconut milk in place of milk and cream for cooking and beverages, and use clarified butter (ghee), coconut oil, or animal fats (natural lard, tallow) for cooking and seasoning. It can be challenging to eat in restaurants (everything is covered in cheese!) but it is worth it to not be in constant pain.

      • Mana

        I second Jackie’s comment entirely. I did not know successful weight loss until I became and unless I remain a complete paleo. Grain free, Dairy free, Sugar/Carb free and artificial chemical free. I eat Organic meats, seafood, poultry and eggs and a wide variety of fresh veges and paleo nuts. I use fresh garlic, herbs, chilli, coconut oil and olive oil for flavour in my cooking. I can not use any sauces including wheat free soy sauce without creating inflammation and bloating. I am just that sensitive to this modern diet. Until they realise it, accept it and learn to embrace living this way people like me will live in pain never knowing when their next intestinal pain attack will strike, be completely and embarrassingly misdiagnosed by idiot Drs, submit themselves to life ruining surgery (bowl removal and colostomy bags) and ultimately die early and painfully. The stakes are high people!!! I fear most people with my sensitive digestive system won’t make it, but I’m determined to!

    • J. Minten

      Jackie,
      You might try eliminating the sugar, grains, and beans you spoke of. Dr. Davis recommends limiting carbs to 15 per meal with no more than 50 a day, and the carbs in the above mentioned foods add up pretty quickly. (I have to eat even less than that!) Other things to eliminate from you eating are potatoes, corn, and rice. If you must eat them (including beans) limit it to 1/2 cup once or twice a month.

      Read nutrition labels and always check the ingredients in all foods. Stick to single ingredient foods and don’t give in to the temptation to consume “gluten free” foods. Just check out the starches that they use to replace the wheat!!

      Have you read the book? That is what has inspired thousands of WBers.

  3. Sherry

    Not so lucky here. My total cholesterol went from 199 to 262. LDL is now 171. HDL 78. Tri 65. I’m just starting to investigate what to do next. I have no other heart disease risk factors. In fact yesterday I had a heart scan that showed NO plaque. No weight, blood pressure, blood sugar issues. I’ve been living the Wheat Belly lifestyle for 8 months. Suggestions welcome but I’m not going to panic just yet.

    • Suzie_B

      Sherry,
      Dr. Davis is a cardiologist who has been blogging for a long time. Prior to starting this blog, he had a blog that dealt with mostly cardiology related issues. I think if you explore the archives of his previous blog, you will find answers – http://blog.trackyourplaque.com

    • JimB

      Agree with Kate N., and in addition, all your other markers are fine, you have nothing to worry about. Trust your body, your body knows how much cholesterol to have flowing in your bloodstream. The arbitrary level of 200 is a joke, just a way to get the masses on statins. Feed your body right and it will take care of you!

    • J. Minten

      You might want to read THE GREAT CHOLESTEROL MYTH by Jonnie Bowden and Stephen Sinatra (both drs.). And pay attention to Dr. Davis. High cholesterol isn’t as bad as it sounds!

  4. Kate N.

    Sherry, your Triglycerides:HDL ratio is 0.8 … that is fabulous! It also is indicative of large, fluffy LDL particles so don’t let the 171 scare you. That is probably high due to being in weight loss mode which will flood your blood with fatty acids. That will dissipate over time. The Total # is useless information and should be disregarded. Besides, did you know that in the Framingham study, the women with the highest cholesterol # lived the longest?????? You are doing wonderful…. No panic necessary ;-) I cannot recommend more strongly that you read The Great Cholesterol Myth by Dr’s Sinatra and Bowden. It is an easy read and they make all this cholesterol stuff so understandable. Dr. Sinatra is a cardiologist and Bowden is a PhD in Nutrition.

  5. OuttaMyHead

    Congrats Allen!
    Wish my Dr. was as encouraging….
    I started Wheat Belly in Sept 2012, and had blood work done in Dec 2012…(lost 33 pounds at that point)
    I no longer need HBP meds! (stopped taking them about 3 weeks after starting WB)
    My A1c went from 6.8 to 5.7
    Glucose went from 156 to 100
    ALT from 44 to 15!
    Triglycerides from 185 to 103
    I’m REALLY HAPPY with these results so far!
    But, since my LDL’s are 117, (considered “high” if your are diabetic) my doctor is insisting on putting me on Statin Drugs, saying that’s not good enough. I have refused to take them, but still am getting harassed. pffft
    I love this WOE! Thanks Dr. Davis!!!! :D

    • Dr. Davis

      Terrific, Outta!

      I say get yourself a new doctor . . . one who empowers you, not subjects you to silly ideas!

  6. James

    Hello,

    For people really interested in knowing a bit more about cholesterol and what these numbers mean, I strongly urge all of you to read this fabulous series by Peter Attia:

    http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i

    You will understand the difference between LDL-C and LDL-P and what it can mean.
    Dr Davis always rightly points to the NUMBER of LDL particles (LDL-P). Unfortunately, LDL-C (the cholesterol amount carried by these particles) does not always correlate very good with LDL-P. So it is kind of tricky to interpret without uncertainty these standard cholesterol panels. One has to directly measure the particle numbers instead via a technique called NRM. But even then, while LDL-P (or apoB) seems to be teh best indicator of developing atherosclerosis, the reference numbers are against people on so-called normal diets. No data provides reference numbers for people on very low carb / high fat diets, which can completely blur the picture even when measuring the number of lipoprotein particles.
    There is a wild field of research to be explored here.

    J.

    • Dr. Davis

      Thanks, J.

      The reward for this extra bit of effort is that we are provided far better control over heart disease risk. It’s the difference between treating the uncertainties of calculated and wildly unreliable calculated LDL cholesterol and the increased precision and certainty of LDL particle number and the count of small LDL particles, information that provides deep insight into NUTRITIONAL solutions.

  7. mary

    My husband and I stopped eating wheat and grains in July 2012. He lost 40 lbs mostly off his abdomen. Last month he felt a heartbeat in his stomache, had an untrasound and had a 10 cm AAA repaired. So I guess stopping wheat saved his life. Amazing book.

  8. Fiona Jesse Giffords

    It is the clear example of how can you control your disease and health problems through good diet and workout plan. Allen almost reduces the cholesterol level to minimum level which can increase the diabetic risk and any sort of attacks. Following a good diet plan gave him a positive result.

    • Boundless

      > … and workout plan …
      What workout?
      The doctor says: “more improvement than I’ve ever seen from weight loss, exercise and diet”, but that doesn’t necessarily refer to Allen. I read it as referring to other patients. WB gets results with or without exercise.

  9. Cynthia

    My dad has been wanting to get off of his statins. He’s pretty old, has Parkinsons, and he thinks they make his head fuzzier than it already is. So, I suggested to my mom a few weeks ago that they stop eating wheat until his next blood work and see what happens. He just had the blood work. Apparently his cholesterol already dropped dramatically and his doc is going to take him off the drugs. Of course my mom was all like “ah I was so hungry for a piece of bread the whole time that we ate some right away after”. but maybe they will learn something from the experience and keep trying to keep away from the wheat. My dad’s had mysterious “IBS” all his life and, given that I can’t tolerate wheat, I suspect he’s got celiac or at least a strong sensitivity.

    • Dr. Davis

      And your mom’s comment about being “so hungry for a piece of bread” suggests an addictive relationship.

      The fact that your dad can correct his lipids without drugs is BIG. But why wasn’t that the default strategy offered by the doctor?

  10. I hope Dr. D. gets this message this time… pleassse.
    My husband and I have gone wheat free, me two and a haf weeks, him one so far. He is doing okay on it but had to talk him into it as he is a BREAD lover for sure, and ate wheat products constantly, bread, pastas, pizza, anything wheat and though he did he was not overweight.
    Anyway, this is a very unique and very strange case of the curious and mysterious. He was diagnosed last fall with a condition of his arteries so rare, no specialist has seen it, and his case is being put into the Journal of Medicine soon because it is the first of its kind they believe.. Absolutely no specialists have seen a case like his. For some reason, “inflammation” is causing his pulmonary vein to close off down to 1 mm flow on the left and 3 mm on the right as well as a kink on the right, needless to say he is getting almost no blood flow to the left lung, it is completely black on nuclear scan. He also has “inflammation” of his arotic arch, and the inflammation occurs in at least five areas throughout his pulmonary veins. The one vein looks like a piece of yarn meandering through on nuclear scan instead of a big wide open pulmonary vein. It’s a mess, they can’t do stents because they have no idea what is causing the “inflammation” just that his body is “attacking itself… autoimmune disorder”. He is now about 30 pounds overweight due to 75 to 100 mg of prednisone for a while, now down to 15 mg, and high dose methotrexate 1 ml weekly. All the side effects of that starting to pile up as well, but the prednisone weight gain hs made breathing super hard. He is told he would not survive heart attack or stroke, he is only 49. So, I told him we don’t have anything to lose! We are going to go wheat free, sugar free, grain free and his next checkup at the hospital is in three months, and we will see how his “inflammation” is. They’ve ruled out all the more commonly known artery diseases and it is none of those, it’s a total mystery. They’ve even consulted in other countries to see if a case like his has shown up anywhere, and nothing… no one has seen this.

    So far in the last week he has lost four pounds being wheat free. He developed major oral thrush (due to prophylactic antibiotics so he doesn’t get lung infection) and into his throat so is on Nystatin now, but as of yesterday said his breathing felt a bit better. Weight loss or wheat free ??? who knows yet. I am going to take pictures and keep track of his labs and nuclear scans. His white count is high right now, no one knows why, but otherwise his bloodwork is stable and not out of whack which is a miracle in itself. He is now 7 months into this condition being diagnoised, and only a tiny fraction of change on the one vein, so we will report what the next tests show the end of April after being wheat free by then two full months. I am so praying this is the answer. Something is causing this “inflammation”. Absolutely everything else they have tested is normal, no diabetes, no liver disease, no kidney disease, no heart disease which was surprising as well,, no abnormal blood work, so it’s just straight up “inflammation” as they say, and they are all stumped. He has 7 speciailsts and none of them have a clue what is going on.

    Well thanks for listening, we will letyou know if there is any shrinkage in the inflammation the end of May. Wouldn’t that be something! It means going from a death sentence to life again if so. I told him if wheat causes widespread inflammation in the body, it has to help his condition to go without it, even if it helped a little it would be worth it. He has stopped craving bread stuffs and is happing with the WB foods.

    • Phillis

      I’m so sorry for your husband’s issue! That has to be scary for sure. Going wheat and sugar free sure can’t hurt anything but I think that it can only help. I hope that it turns things around quickly for your husband. Also, you might want to make sure that he is getting plenty of good solid fats like coconut oil. Coconut oil is great for inflammation and infections. I’m allergic to the adhesive that is on most bandaids. It raises a rash that can not be controlled even with corticosteroids and eventually turns into cellulitis. The ONLY thing that will work for the rash is coconut oil and even cures the cellulitis. That is just how good coconut oil is for inflammation. It is just as good or better on the inside of us as well!

    • Dr. Davis

      Wow, Just: a very peculiar story!

      Please update us with your husband’s progress. Should this prove to respond to wheat elimination, it would be another huge success chalked up to the wisdom we gain by reverting to the diet that humans were originally adapted to consuming. I truly hope that this is the answer you are seeking!

      • Thank you for responding. He is now about 8 days of faithfully going wheat free. He used to gobble up bread or pasta with everything, and getting him to stop eating potatoes or have one little one is almost impossible, but he’s doing it. i have had to reiterate the insulin spike issue to him 1000 times,but he is understandingn it more and more. He has lost 6 pounds so far, (pounds he gained from prednisone use) and I notice he is walking a bit faster, so even though he says his breathing is horrible I notice little changes. Today I noticed his skin looked like it glowed, usually it doesn’t. Little changes, but we’ll see what the end of April shows with ihs next Nuclear scan of the lungs and arteries. He has been struggling with high bp as well due to the prednisone or methotrexate they say. Last Saturday (six days ago) they were consistently 155/110 over 110 to 116 or higher 169/116, taken at six differnt times, so we’ll see what happens with that too over the next while as he is only on 10 mg prednisone right now, so it shouldn’t be that.

        I myself have now lost 8 pounds in 2.5 weeks and I have a thyroid from hell that normally does not let me drop an ounce even with vigorous exercise, so that is a miracle for me. I can hardly believe how little my body requires for “food” now. I eat very nutriously, so my body is getting what it needs, but portions are so small comparatively. We are eating bigger breakfasts and then just require minimal food/snacks until supper and we have a modest supper, meat, veggies, or salad, but even that it is not a ton of food. It’s amazing.
        Anyway, will keep you posted on his condition in another month or so and his weight loss as well. He only gained weight due to high dose prednisone which of course makes his breathing worse, but he’s slimming down now.
        Than you for your help. God Bless your work.

  11. June

    I just received my lipid panel results and am confused and upset. Here are my numbers: Tot Chol = 360, Trigs = 33, HDL = 95, LDL- calculated = 258, and VLDL = 7.
    My Doctor wants me to start Crestor ASAP! I told him that I am very reluctant to take statins and would rather try diet changes first…especially going wheat free, more exercise, and losing weight ( I am 30 -40 lbs overweight). Let me also add that I’m 53 yrs young, weigh 170lbs @5ft 3in tall, have hypothyroidism and have taken levothyroxine since age 28. I do take 1 tablespoon of flaxseed oily daily & hv done so for the past 5 yrs.
    He said that diet alone would probably not lower my numbers greatly! Still, acknowleding my reluctance, he suggested that I take this statin for 90 days & recheck my numbers. If they are in acceptable range, I could wean off the statin & start the wheat free program… recheck levels in 90 days to see if The Wheat Belly diet has been successful in keeping my numbers low.
    He is familiar with the Wheat Belly book, but says that my numbers are way too high too go that route alone for NOW….that immediate drug intervention would be best for my case! I have read not such good things about Crestor. AND would also like to stop taking thyroid replacement meds if I could… read somewhere that wheat & gluten also affects thyroid function.
    I’ve been reading this blog for several days and have found such great info from Dr Davis & all the commenters. Any commentary and/or suggestions as to what I should do would be greatly appreciated. Thank You!

    • Dr. Davis

      Advice, June, in this order:

      1) Get a new doctor. You’ve got a knucklehead for a doctor.

      2) More than likely, your hypothyroidism is being only partially treated. You are taking the T4 thyroid hormone (levothyroxine). Because the active thyroid hormone, T3, has not been addressed, this likely has contributed to being overweight and the high cholesterol values. In other words, your doctor likely CAUSED some of your problems.

      3) In my view, we should NEVER treat the calculated LDL value, but should measure superior values such as NMR LDL particle number or apoprotein B. Given the sad state of sophistication of your doctor, I would not expect an answer on this question from your doctor. Have you read the “My particles are bigger than your particles” chapter in the Wheat Belly book? Lots of discussion there.

  12. Jim

    Common Dr. Davis, everyone knows that 2+2 = 22; at least in this case of blood lipid improvements.

  13. Karen

    I have been on the wheat belly diet plan since July 2012. Thank the Lord I heard Bill O’Reilly mention your book on his show. I immediately ordered the book and began my wheat free journey, which is now a way of life!

    Back in 2010 my lipid panel with direct LDL Chol. read like this:
    Triglycerides 313
    Cholesterol 304
    HDL 59
    LDL 196
    Chol/ HDL ratio 5.2

    With those numbers I was put on statins that caused muscle aches, so I would stop the meds. My doctor even tried me on some other non-statin drugs, which caused severe bone pain and various other symptoms.

    Now I’m on NO MEDICATION, have lost 20 pounds, and feel 20 years younger. This week I went for my lipid panel with direct LDL Chol. The results are as follows:
    Triglycerides 81
    Cholesterol 194
    HDL 81
    LDL 123
    Chol./HDL ratio 2.4

    As my doctor read the above results aloud, his only words were: “Phenomenal! And to think you’ve done it without meds, eating a good diet, and exercise!” I just smiled and didn’t let him know there really wasn’t much exercise involved! :-) At the end of my doctor’s visit, I did ask him if he wanted to know my secret? Of course I couldn’t wait to tell him about the Wheat Belly book!

  14. George

    Throughout my life I have had relatively low cholesterol readings. My total cholesterol has been below 175, my HDL has been above 60, my LDL below 90 and my Triglycerides in the low 90s.
    Recently my doctor ran a more detailed panel and my Lipoprotein (a) came back a high 69 which was a real surprise for me. I am quite slim at 160lbs. so obesity is not an issue and I have no blood sugar problems at the moment.
    I just picked up the Wheat Belly book and am reading through it now.
    How concerned should I be about my Lipo(a) reading and should I except a dramatic change in this reading if I go to a no wheat diet. If so, how quickly would I see these results?

  15. Lara

    Dr. Davis,
    My family and I have been wheat-free for just over a year and I need your guidance. My nine year-old daughter, who is healthy, happy, active, trim and wheat-free (to the best of my knowledge, we follow your plan very well), just had her cholesterol tested at her annual exam with her pediatrician and her LDL came back at over 300. Her doctor had her retested after fasting, thinking it was a fluke, but this test came back at 275. So, we have been directed to see a pediatric cardiologist. I’m concerned they are going to want to put her on medication and give me poor dietary advice. I have skimmed your comments about LDL in your book and blog and need to dig deeper but can you give me some direction here? Any help would be appreciated tremendously. Thank you.

    • > … and her LDL came back at …

      What “LDL”?

      If a NMR, VAP or gel electro was run, what was the Small LDL count?

      The standard lipid panel is close to useless, and does not provide this number. As close as it gets is LDL-C, which is not reliable on low carb.

      • Dr. Davis

        Just as Boundless says, you need to insist on better measures, such as NMR lipoprotein analysis or at least an apoprotein B.

        However, given the extremely high LDL cholesterol, though a very imprecise value, it is so high that heterozygous hypercholesterolemia or other uncommon genetic condition is highly likely.

        Note that the majority of cardiologists are entirely unsuited to treat this condition properly. You may need to seek someone out with specific expertise in the area of “complex hyperlipidemias.” But don’t let them tell you that you have done something wrong. We are on the edge of an age in which many health practitioners are still trapped in previous paradigms and will not recognize new strategies as superior.

  16. Lara Murphy

    Dr. Davis,
    Thank you very much for your reply and I will heed your advice. Would you consider seeing my daughter or do you have a cardiologist you can recommend? We are willing to travel. I cannot thank you enough for your help.
    Boundless, thank you, too.

  17. Dr. Davis –

    I hadn’t heard of you or your books until today 1/11/14. I am one of those folks who has a very high 2500+ LDL-P count. My TG is a bit above normal but not terrible. HDL is normal. LDL-C is normal. So we’re at “discordance.” I’m 68 male.

    My physician and I are tearing our hair out trying to find something that works. I think we’d both agree that I have insulin resistance (overweight by 50#); waist 8″ past 1/2 height; and lead a more sedentary than active life. So metabolic syndrome and syndrome x leap to mind. For the moment we have three interventions going: nicotinic acid (not slow release); omega 3 in the 5g+/day level; keeping my post prandial BG in the low 100s with an average below 100; increase in exercise. I already take CoQ10 and acetyl-l-carnitine and even d-ribose before exercise.

    The ultra high LDL-P (the first time we’ve measured it that way) was a surprise. I have subsequently read that LDL-P is the best predictor of CVD. Against that I have found a cardiologist who has the same discordance as I but whose diet is low carbohydrate, low glycemic index. He’s had his endothelial linings checked and the thickness has decreased with “good” diet. “Bumps” in the endothelial lining have disappeared on his sensible diet. His standard lipid profile is good and still his LDL-P is ultra high. He has essentially dismissed the LDL-P as predictive of nothing when it comes to him.

    Your comments would be appreciated.

    Last — I’ve reviewed your conversation with Dr. Oz. In it you say a number of times that “our wheat is not our grandmother’s” — 4′ stalks v. 18″ ones. On the other hand you more or less imply that wheat is wheat — whether whole or ultra processed. The follow on question that begs answering is “Is there any form of wheat that you would ‘tolerate’ in your diet?” Meaning, as a farmer, I can grow and hand process and get my grandmother’s wheat. Does it make a difference, however, according to your hypothesis?

    Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge.

    jack

    • Dr. Davis

      Jack–

      You will find your answers in the “My particles are bigger than your particles” chapter in the original Wheat Belly book, discussed at length.

      Also, there is no such thing as a healthy form of wheat, only those less harmful, never harmless.